It is not so often we have the opportunity to meet an openly gay priest. Of course, the conversation got too interesting to keep it at one part interview. Even before we started to talk I was aware that this could become a two-part podcast. And so it did. It is time for the second part of the interview with James Alison. It starts with talking about pope Francis and the impression that he stands up for LGBT people and then it just seems like he changed his mind. There is a lot of work to do, but change won’t come from the top but from the people, the believers.